tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post6667698572126838724..comments2023-10-26T08:37:12.232-04:00Comments on Heleni Smith: Affirmative action to close the gender gap?Athena Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11483906167304901085noreply@blogger.comBlogger112125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-90069851526420820182009-04-13T01:45:00.000-04:002009-04-13T01:45:00.000-04:00Those are very one side numbers that are not in ma...Those are very one side numbers that are not in male favor. And is not fair that they would turn down better qualifying females to compensate for the low male graduation rate. But to me that issue is covering the issue of why are males more prone to drop out than their females counter parts? Someone should do some research into that matter. As for affirmative action going into affect it should not matter that more females are doin what they suppose to do. Instead we should find out whats causing males to drop out. I am pretty sure your average females goes through a lot more in life than your average male so their should not be any excuses.jermaine18https://www.blogger.com/profile/11562405856073067049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-31256516220941894952009-04-12T23:30:00.000-04:002009-04-12T23:30:00.000-04:00A nation addressing disparities? You have got to b...A nation addressing disparities? You have got to be kidding me. Sometimes I find it extremely hard to swallow all of the extreme bullshit and liberal reasoning for why the system runs the way that it does. Let me state this very simply for anyone that cannot comprehend reality and what is going on here. You only get to benefit from that which you have rightfully earned. Compensation is a direct result from contribution. It does not matter if the individual in question is male, female, black, white, or orange, the previously mentioned axiom still applies. Balance, disparity, campus crusade for guys. What you have just read in this article is a grievance that the United States has long ignored. They are issues that are in direct contrast to the principals and culture that spawned this country and her greatest achievements. The issues, philosophy, and reasoning that have been presented to us in this article are simply another form of oppression. Oppression, but to whom is it directed do you ask? The astounding answer is not of a specific gender, ethnicity, culture, or religion, who we are repressing, is the largest, and ever growing, minority, the individual. Everyone wants to talk these days about what group deserves what, and which group has the most urgent needs. Well let me tell you that the only thing that is important in the end, is who has contributed the most (freely and with accompanying royalties, recognition, and payment of course) to society. The end result cares not at all what is being bickered about among so called groups. Groups have no rights! Please tell me where in the Constitution it entails or calls for balance, or how we base selection and resource utilization upon affiliation instead of merit and accomplishment! This balance will effectively end with millions of groups all laying claim to the same entitlements and the results will be a mediocre society. No friends, the highest strivers and achievers deserve the first available selections. This is the only way to rightfully lead the rest of the world, with our best and brightest at the helm, not those who “deserve it based upon need, or balance. There is no telling how many competent people have already become discouraged, or even left our country due to such practices. It is time for merit and accomplishment to lead the way once again. As former president Teddy Roosevelt stated in his now famous speech “ there is now room in this country for hyphenated Americanism!” I also think that one of George W. Bush’s most commendable acts as president was to assault affirmative action. Well those are my thoughts and I guess the gender disparity in the end simply means more of a female selection for myself!Shane Lawrencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02827585787313480050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-37573644517556393402009-04-12T23:23:00.000-04:002009-04-12T23:23:00.000-04:00I think that they should just take who ever is mor...I think that they should just take who ever is more qualified not what gender. I do not agree to the action of turning down female applicants with better qualifications than males just because there is a gender gap. It is unfair for woman to have to deal with this kind of situation. a lot woman work harder then men. women have been fighting for a long time to gain a place in society. gender should not have any effect on who gets accepted into a specific college or university. It should not be a competition between men and women things should just be fair.mpierrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05511003533924408493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-6376363676134823982009-04-12T23:04:00.000-04:002009-04-12T23:04:00.000-04:00Gender will always be somthing to be discussed alt...Gender will always be somthing to be discussed although it is a complete waste of tim; because the way I see it is anyone with ambition is worth getting recognition weather it being female or male, i think that society should judge based on what the applicant brings to the table and not by what sex they happen to be. People are different for a reason there are things that men can do better than women and and things that women can do better then men. But it shouldn't be somthing blown this much out of proportion. <BR/> In conclusion we should try to see just how hard working somone is rather than just look on the outside.tarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09980097753402689761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-15667336989842693292009-04-12T22:34:00.000-04:002009-04-12T22:34:00.000-04:00Affirmative action to close the gender gap is tran...Affirmative action to close the gender gap is translated into turning down female applicants with better qualifications than males. Some consider it a necessary reaction of a society addressing disparities. Others are fiercely opposing it. Your thoughts?<BR/><BR/>I don’t agree with “Affirmative action” in accepting men over women in college to bridge a gap in the ratio with men and women. I feel it’s women’s time anyway to shine in unexpected areas as the business and corporate world as a result in more educated women at hand. I cant begin to list the men I know on in college who got accepted for sports in not grads as I works hard to be accepted in the same school because I wasn’t an athlete. So why anyone should feel bad. Men need to step up there game in school before there left single and jobless. A school isn’t for everyone, all I need is a man with a plan and school isn’t the only successful way in life. Let me just touch on the whole ideal about who will women marry now if we won’t so to speak accept less educated men. Personally God know what kind of man is good for me and that’s not always a man with a masters or BA degree .He could have certifications, or own his own business,etc…. but we will be as one so my money will be his and via versa .Money and riches is nothing on this earth , the sooner people accept that the sooner we can find something else more important to blog aboutTOOTIEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04748309634768152918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-42882748578051254862009-04-12T22:21:00.000-04:002009-04-12T22:21:00.000-04:00I don't think it is fair to the girls. Its not our...I don't think it is fair to the girls. Its not our faults that we do the work and get into colleges more than men. I feel that anyone can do anythng they want to as long as they put the time and effort into it, reguard less of weather there male or female. Colleges should not turn down girls just because there are too many girls and not enough boys.<BR/><BR/>If girls are going to work hard and guys are not then thats their problem. If they want to get into college then they should actually try to do the work. Your always told to do your best and secceed because the better you do the more opportunities you have. So girls are going to be punished for being smart? Its not our faults at all and colleges shouldn't even have to bring this up as a issue.Nadiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10563592339468804790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-83926793302024535362009-04-12T22:18:00.000-04:002009-04-12T22:18:00.000-04:00I personally think that gender should be taken int...I personally think that gender should be taken into consideration a little just to keep things in balance. The truth of the matter is that if you’re more qualified then your chances of getting in to a good school are higher whether you’re a male or female. I’m speaking for the guys stop being lazy and START studying. I can’t speak for these drop out rates but if the schools are just accepting men just for the heck of it over obviously more qualified women then I could see the unfairness.Get-Me-A-RedBullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11494265232595067036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-58929591678578536062009-04-12T21:57:00.000-04:002009-04-12T21:57:00.000-04:00In my opinion, this is such a silly subject. I mea...In my opinion, this is such a silly subject. I mean there are far more serious things occuring right now then balancing these gender ratios in school.I see it this way,Who ever works harder deserves scolarships, recognition and benefits for being a good student. As simple as that! Those who work harder in GENERAL, deserve way more than those who don't do anything at all. Think of it in this way,Being lazy and sitting at home doing nothing is a choice so why would anybody want to turn down applications of hard working female students? It just doesn't make any sense to me.omayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14800679515417513116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-91029412451526158052009-04-12T21:53:00.000-04:002009-04-12T21:53:00.000-04:00Being a guy my answer may be different from a girl...Being a guy my answer may be different from a girls perspective. I don't see what education has to finding a partner. I understand nobody wants a bum, and a school reinsures a good future with that person but its not every way to find someone. My girlfriend doesn't attend my school. She is actually a 100 miles away. We didnt meet at a school even or anything educational. We met at my work.Alex370000https://www.blogger.com/profile/04088449964398263837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-18680216385209650892009-04-12T21:25:00.000-04:002009-04-12T21:25:00.000-04:00I think that Affirmative action is BS. Universitie...I think that Affirmative action is BS. Universities should accept applicants based on their qualifications. Who cares if it's a man or a woman. If a woman can't find a date on campus, why should that be the universities problem? Eventually someone will want to marry and have kids with you. I feel bad for the woman who care more about there being enough eligable bachlors on campus; then about their education. Lets get really it shouldn't even be an issue. Schools should just worry about grades.Incandescent26https://www.blogger.com/profile/15025779346693767714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-214208245007734672009-04-12T20:19:00.000-04:002009-04-12T20:19:00.000-04:00HIgher educational institutions do look at "race" ...HIgher educational institutions do look at "race" to determine who gets accepted, so I see no issue with doing the same with gender. BUT, If they do decide to adopted those kinds of actions everywhere, they should still make it to where females have a bias to get accepted into colleges and universities; after all they are, according to this article, more inclined to finish and are smarter.<BR/><BR/>For you people arguing for equality, its all relative to the persons view. an african american trying to get ahead will think its good and just to have help to achieve goals of finishing college but a white person will say its unfair because he/she does not have as many opportunities. So what this comes down to is that the smart prevail and the weak sink. Women will just end up marrying people outside of their "race" and thats ok unless you are racist.RPWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00903768056304571640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-40261638092842782352009-04-12T20:04:00.000-04:002009-04-12T20:04:00.000-04:00I beleive males should be ashamed that in this day...I beleive males should be ashamed that in this day and time their affiliaction in education is down the drain. If more women are applying to school its because they are seeking I higher education. Men shouldent be complaining or blame it on nobody but themselves. If they really want to strive for excellence they need to fight for it, not be granted permission to attend a university because they are attempting to admitt ass many men as women. It is honestly rediculous that this is an issue.TeXasLuVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01885079947501558204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-37215390225182770442009-04-12T20:02:00.000-04:002009-04-12T20:02:00.000-04:00I think that it can’t be forced because it wouldn’...I think that it can’t be forced because it wouldn’t be fair to a very smart female to get neglected a chance at college because they want a man to fill her shoes. They should figure out some other ways of promoting college for men and I think if they did start choosing men over women they would start working or trying less to get into school. They should just leave it alone and stop worrying about how females are going to find a partner or the difference in numbers. I think if you are smart and work hard to get to college you should be allowed to be accepted.*V@N3*https://www.blogger.com/profile/05401281386676808890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-8712888280847217382009-04-12T17:41:00.000-04:002009-04-12T17:41:00.000-04:00Gender should not play a major role in education a...Gender should not play a major role in education and meeting criterias. Both sexes should be viewed upon as equal and not discriminated or given preferential treatment. Hard work, success, perseverance and motivation are the key elements to a person's status and place in society. Qualification stems from the person's aptitude and productivity not whether they are males or females.Nurse73https://www.blogger.com/profile/01078341807049102047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-13297769135766144162009-04-12T17:20:00.000-04:002009-04-12T17:20:00.000-04:00this doesnt seem fair. Affirmative action to balan...this doesnt seem fair. Affirmative action to balance gender ratio in college wouldnt change much. Sure their would be more men in college, but if they dont apply themselves, then accepting them wont make them apply more effort later. You put men with lower education in college, then women that wont lower their expectations wont date men at their level still. Just accepting them wont change that argument. Plus women are pretty picky. Bottom line, you reward people for their good efforts and achievements. If a school will be 70/30 women up, then so be it. If its bad for society, then we are all at fault, because we all work together as a society. One can help another achieve. Maybe the women will start wearing the pants in the near future.ABroWniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06463127401719395006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-51624424800783349882009-04-12T17:10:00.000-04:002009-04-12T17:10:00.000-04:00First of all I am extremely opposed to affirmative...First of all I am extremely opposed to affirmative action in allowing under qualified men in college just to have an equal number of men vs women. <BR/><BR/>People go to college to learn more. To prepare themselves for a career. To better their circumstances.<BR/><BR/>Now how do people get into college? What are the qualifications. People get accepted to colleges due to how qualified they are. Granted, there has been affirmative action for certain people in the past.<BR/> <BR/>They have been accepted to colleges even thought they might not have had the exact qualifications required. This may seen one sided but these people have gone to colleges and worked hard to graduate.<BR/> <BR/>There is an unequal ratio of men vs women now because the women have realized that to get to male dominated careers, they have to be, not just as qualified as a male, they had to be better qualified than their male counterpart<BR/><BR/>I agree with nearly all of the posts, but there was one post that I though hit the nail right on the head. That persons post was right on target. <BR/> It said that “if guys are bitching about not being accepted over girls, then they need to work harder” and that's exactly how I feel about this subject.<BR/><BR/>The only additional comment I can add is that what happens next?<BR/><BR/>Will they give affirmative action’s to people who are big? <BR/><BR/>Will they give try to even out the number of those with blue eyes to those with brown? <BR/><BR/> What about the short people vs the tall ones. <BR/> Like other posts said, if they don’t have the exact ratio of men to women, then the men should be prepared and qualified as well as the women.skywritter54https://www.blogger.com/profile/00637805323239016973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-23510717479781606102009-04-12T15:06:00.000-04:002009-04-12T15:06:00.000-04:00I think its unfair to girls. They guys are droppin...I think its unfair to girls. They guys are dropping out because its there choice just as its the girls choice to stay in school and finish. Why should they punish the girls for working hard and award the boys when they are giving up. Besides it probably wont help as much because most boys at least the some that i know believe they can do better without going for a higher education and they some are doing well. While the girls think they need the higher education to do well and for some or most it is true they do, do better, when they have the higher education.lynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03401901977677264607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-28673985433141841042009-04-12T10:45:00.000-04:002009-04-12T10:45:00.000-04:00I don't stand for the fact that men have to be fav...I don't stand for the fact that men have to be favoured when it comes to academic.That is i'm against affirmative action.Thats discrimination and this form of discrimination can only bring more problems to the society. Being accepted to a university is a reward for working and studying hard throughout high school or even to achieve educational goals.Take for example,in the United State,admission into a university is based on merit.Every body is equal. Schools can’t start admitting men more than women just because they wanna close the gap between males and female.Thats not right.Thus i personally beleive admission into a college or university should be based on merit not about gender(Affirmative action).Jn2https://www.blogger.com/profile/04867952948204217972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-35390349348239408712009-04-12T09:52:00.000-04:002009-04-12T09:52:00.000-04:00I don’t agree with the Affirmation Action. I perso...I don’t agree with the Affirmation Action. I personally feel that the girls are being punished for the boys’ lack of interest. From my understanding a person is to be treated equally and if this goes on, out the window goes the word “equally”. <BR/>The women have done there part and earned there education, so the guys should step up and work harder and do the same. It seems as if the guys have a hand out and the girls have to work hard, which is not fair. I know it is not all guys, but I feel that this is a waist of the tax payer’s money.Chinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06345792667743078532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-18126503539045497592009-04-12T01:20:00.000-04:002009-04-12T01:20:00.000-04:00Personally, I won't loose any sleep over this topi...Personally, I won't loose any sleep over this topic. I strongly oppose affirmative action in order to close the gender gap'Why is it so much of an issue , is it because more and more women are seeking higher level of education and thus they can be perceived as a threat and compete for traditionally male dominated jobs in the workforce.I feel that highly qualified women should not be treated unfairly and rejected in order to maintain gender balanceSabrinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16356946974681334263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-52037620275901157952009-04-11T23:50:00.000-04:002009-04-11T23:50:00.000-04:00This really isn't a helpful idea for the women stu...This really isn't a helpful idea for the women students who are working hard to get into college and finish with a bachelor's degree. If you think about it, any kind of affirmative action is discrimination of sorts. Preferring one group of people over the other doesn't make the group work any harder. What needs to be addressed is why men are dropping out of college and high school, and to go from there. Maybe it's because women nowadays hold a lot of power in society, so men think all they need to do is find a woman who gets paid well enough to take care of them. Maybe it's because men are becoming increasingly impatient or stupid. Gender affirmative action is not going to help anything get accomplished.lynk26https://www.blogger.com/profile/02405146406256064913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-90683921605425201142009-04-11T23:12:00.000-04:002009-04-11T23:12:00.000-04:00Affirmative Action for men to me really would not ...Affirmative Action for men to me really would not make much of a difference in the school systems now. Men have and always will be intimidated by women because they have a higher success rate. Yes I can say we women definitely look for men with an education but personally I believe that education isn't for everyone but I do strongly believe in getting and finding a job. Most of these men do not have father figures in their life so therefore they feel as if they have to be the bread winner for the family so school becomes secondary to them at this point. So trying to bring affirmative action to men really would not make a difference at this time in life.Ms.Krissyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09848065118043457581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-1371829235429460002009-04-11T21:39:00.000-04:002009-04-11T21:39:00.000-04:00In my opinion, girls shouldn’t be punished for a m...In my opinion, girls shouldn’t be punished for a man’s lack of interest in furthering their education. I think it’s good that women are interested in going out and bettering themselves and contributing to the family income. They shouldn’t have to sit at home and cook and clean. Women have the same rights as men to get a higher education and bring in money for their family. I don’t think women go to college to find a husband; they go to college to earn a degree and get a job. If guys don’t want to go to college that’s fine, let them make a quick buck and worry about it later. Women are more long term mind oriented and are focused on long term goals. They will not be attracted to a man who they don’t think will support them and a family in the long run. Girls want a stable man when they are getting older and looking for someone to marry. Keeping the female to male ratio equal is uncalled for; I think college applications shouldn’t even ask your gender or race.wolfgram25https://www.blogger.com/profile/01710458973927337717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-88200327341445332682009-04-11T20:59:00.000-04:002009-04-11T20:59:00.000-04:00I believe that there is not a need to panic on thi...I believe that there is not a need to panic on this idea anytime soon. Yes there are definite differences in the sizes of the two genders, but that to me is something nature will work out on its own. To me history has shown that as inequalities arise people have been shown to react positively and negatively, but a reaction regardless and men will eventually see school as necessary as before. Perhaps even due to their ego of falling behind the females, but I really do not believe the differences in the amount will get severe. Even 58% versus 42% is not a bad ratio because as much as we would love everything to be equal life is not that kind. Many men take school less serious in my opinion because it is not “cool”, or are simply too lazy to overachieve. This is a general statement, but in addition to that women seem more committed to not only having more, but also proving themselves worthy. We as a nation have come very far in terms of gender inequalitylxndr.lnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14862102478173111659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1951811281604727291.post-68123695288315136302009-04-11T18:49:00.000-04:002009-04-11T18:49:00.000-04:00I just want to say that after I read this article ...I just want to say that after I read this article why women have to suffered and punished because men dropping out from schools and colleges. Most women work very hard than men so, women should deserve what they earn. I think, it would be very unfair with women if the institutes and colleges turn down their applicatons to balanced the gender gap.I believe they should consider who are more qualified regardless to gender gap. If guys are not paying attention to their education thats not girls fault just turning down the womens' applications is not going to slove the problem.lubnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03339178180162839806noreply@blogger.com